Actually just a round-up for this week… I will make a category for ‘Cooking’ and add the kifli recipes by popular request ( ok, only Tracey, but I know there are numerous unknown requests out there hhhhhhhha!) that was a belly laugh.
I changed the layout to mixed reviews. I admit this isn’t user friendly, so when I have time I will try to change that. If you are more comfortable with a certain feel to a website, my changeability is probably unsettling. I am the kind of person who seasonally changes my living spaces as well. Not as much as I used to, because I now have to wait for my husband to help move the furniture… in the days when I was more self-reliant on stronger abs…. that was not an issue. If I have the power, the aesthetics will change….
Arethusa:”[An American Friend] claimed however that a) some Christians would not appreciate the inclusion of other religions (as would parents of other religions perhaps) and b) the debate of how many and which religions to include would be never-ending.
Mama:”the societies in which religion is taught in the schools seem to be far more secular than ours”
“If religious history is taught in the schools, that’s one thing. …..But consider the “wide appreciation of different faith perspectives”. In CA a unit on Islam is required – and there has been intense debate about it. This sort of thing can easily shade into propaganda.”
Yes, it is complex. Interestingly enough this is something that was much debated on a Christian/Pagan forum called ExWitch ( which is no more in that form- it is a totally different sort of forum now on its own server). I say it’s totally different, they might feel it evolved and is the same. But I have seen lots of the arguments from both sides thanks to that forum.
I suppose one key is to teach it in a historical context. Which religions impacted which societies at times throughout history. We often have teaching on Greek mythology this way with no problems. There are going to be disputes, and part of that is the working out of terms and debunking of propaganda that is almost taken as …. smile with me now…. gospel.
Everybody is so afraid of the big bogeyman. Christians can’t, and don’t, dictate what all the curriculum consists of….. they ( the ones you’re talking about) are one voice among many. A balanced inclusion in an historical context would not be unappreciated when all is done even handedly. As in reporting factually.That sorts through the emphasis and inclusions, also.
I don’t think it is pertinent or particularly accurate to say that the societies that include such instruction are more secular. They probably are less volitile; I would attribute that to the fact that this was instituted when the society was more religious as a whole and is now tradtitional. Those societies tend to be more homogenous than ours. They have experience in seeing that it doesn’t rock the secular boat to learn about such things and they don’t have the rabid litigation that has led to such fights over everything even remotely religious (the California State Seal…c’mon now).
It would be disputatious, no doubt.
The question is whether it would make Americans better citizens of their country. I suppose that is the root motivation for public education. There are several things that would have to take place.
One is the courts would have to allow experimentation. Education is best worked out on the field, not handed down by government fiat. The present court predisposition to punish schools for allowing religious expression would have to be reined in.
I don’t know if that can happen with the present antagonists in the secular and religious camps, but to remain religiously ignorant is to be prone to being ignorantly offensive in relation to an important part of humanity(practice of religion), its history and its reality now.
I just had a thought. You know education and learning never stops at a school door. If you refuse to educate people with a consensus on regulated material – there are back doors to education. This is the argument that is used by sex education proponents, usually. They use it because it happens. It happens with religion, too.
Every time you see the religious symbols, books, and rituals mocked and despised…you are being educated. Everytime you see religion repressed in a de facto way…. you are being educated. No wonder we have Americans doing stupid things to antagonize other societies… they see it at home, in their art galleries, on their news, in their TV programs and movies, all the time. It doesn’t seem any great shake to urinate on something others consider sacred. They don’t get that it is a problem, because at home it is just a big sniggering* joke.
[my question directed to the great ‘out there’ -not to the commenters, who both are open to the idea of religion in curriculum in the proper context; Mama being a particularly gentle soul who loves reason]
So, okay…now tell me why it is so bad to have a curriculum that educates people properly to the etiquette of treating others as one would be treated, and learn what things mean to others…. before you go trampling them?
But, yes, it would be a heated culture battle in America as it is at this time.
*[snicker with a snort]