I appreciate Vash because she asks the hard questions… then I get to formulate answers, which is somewhat cowardly way of addressing things, but being Christian with a capital C means that I always seem invested ( which I am) when I bring up the subject. But it needs talking about, and that is the main thing.
“Is “the answer” to ban the practice of Islam? Deport Muslims? Jail Muslim clerics? Send vigilante groups against Muslims? Force all Muslims to repent and change religion? Something like the PM and cabinet make a speech on TV saying Islam has become the biggest threat facing our country and henceforth all known Muslims will be rounded up and put into Guantanamo-style holding camps? ”
and more…. there is the sticking point of the Left, and those who desire to view it this way for “explanation” or “excuse” :
“Now it’s Thomas’s turn to forget history. People aren’t angry because “we aren’t helping them enough, even though we help them loads” as he disingenously implies. The real reason is that there are people in the Muslim world who have suffered and died as a direct result of US/UK policies. ”
I think the questions are the stronger for discussion than the history lesson. So I will take the history first.
The trouble with this history lesson is that it manages to edit out the religious tenets. This is the whole point. You cannot edit out the religion, as much as secularists like to do this. It is not sufficient to blame policies for the these terrorists. There is something that has been resident within and coming forth from Islam throughout the centuries, and this is not different in our postmodern secularist civilation. I felt this is exactly what was being addressed by this statement: “They think they can explain it using Western standards.”
What is the purpose of the terrorism? To get the West to stop their policies? Or to overwhelm the world with Islam? You have to ask this. You have to honestly answer it. Because if it were the former you could appease, but if the latter…. you will never satisfy them until they have made the Taliban form their rule over everyone within their reach. You’ve seen the Taliban, Vash, you’ve seen how it oppresses women and circumvents literacy and education, how it excuses the oppressions of those not in the acceptable ethnic group …how can you support that? How can you tolerate that?
Can you excuse this tyranny for the sake of the West’s excesses? Not can they, can you?
Which brings us to the questions.
Is “the answer” to ban the practice of Islam? This is the easiest to decide. We cannot do this without flouting our own values and Civitas. We have formed the value of religious toleration, and that must include Islam, but I believe it also can demand that they call a truce within our shores if they are going to live here, and more, that they decide to defend and uphold all rights to religious toleration for all groups. That means we don’t kill each other on that basis, and that we prosecute those who do kill on that basis. That they do not aid and abet, or face prosecution.
Deport Muslims? If there is increased terrorism, and if the “moderate” Muslims living assimilated lives in Western countries shelter and enable terrorists, this will happen. I don’t believe internment is desired-so that will not be a choice, but when push comes to shove, who will tolerate innocent people getting bombed because of appeasement and inertia? There will be strong pressure to deport.
Jail Muslim clerics? This is generally what we will see, first. If they preach and promote terrorist activity, “jihad”, then, as there are more actual instances, there will be more action taken. I think we’ve seen some steps taken in this direction.
Send vigilante groups against Muslims? This won’t happen. What could happen should there be enough chaos and death, coupled with State inertia, is that in both UK and USA vigilante groups will subversively act. This is a fear that I have had. UK and USA are not Israel. You will not see Israel’s patience if people get blown up and suffocated to death in Subways and if their buses- and restaurants are blown up. We see red in our countries when children are targeted. This is an Islamo-fascist favorite, and it is only a matter of time should there not be a lid put on this thing.
The terrorists will only embolden when nothing essential is done. Terrorism does two dangerous things, and the balance for them lies in which of the two has the dominance: it strikes fear into people, it infuriates people. They are pushing for fear, when I think there is a resevoir of fury building.
That is why I feel sorry for the “moderate” Muslim who does nothing. They will not escape the pressure from their own side nor the fury from the attacked parties. They stand to lose the most. It is in their interest to speak out against the militant Imams. Will they with any strength of voice? It would be very risky for them. But they are at risk on all fronts.
Force all Muslims to repent and change religion? You mean to secularism? Not centralized enough for an Inquisition. I’m sort of joking here, but there is a need for repentence and change among Muslims. This can take a number of forms, but I give you a qualified yes to that.
all known Muslims will be rounded up and put into Guantanamo-style holding camps? as I said , no one has the stomach or the conviction for internment camps. This is not likely, though deportation moves are. Still, no one wants to do any of these things. They do want peace within their borders. The ball is in the court of immigrant Muslims. They must work for peace in their own communities and in their young men and women.
Will this happen? Only God knows.
The rest of us, including you, are moved along with the sweep of events. My own stance is to hold to moderation in line with my religious convictions which require me to do no harm, but to be wise in what I do. I see this as consuming all my power should things escalate into mob hysteria.
We think we are above that here in the West. I am not so very sure. That is why all my powers of rhetoric are at work to convince us to look at the religious questions in this, and hopefully for Muslims to look at the tenets of their religion and make up their minds to get off their fence, to make a stand for what their hearts know is right, things that lead to peaceful coexistance and prosperity for the coming generations. Not death and bombings and hatred.
But will they put aside jihad? Will they repudiate it?
UPDATE: How can this be ignored?Islamic Nations Slaughter and Enslave Christians :: Islam :: bLogicus
Islamic Nations Slaughter and Enslave Christians
THERE IS NOT ONE CHRISTIAN NATION ON EARTH WHERE MUSLIMS ARE PERSECUTED. Yet in 83% of nations where the majority of the population are Muslims, there is systematic government persecution of Christians.